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Batman vs. Captain America; Movie Versions
Topic Started: Feb 5 2015, 09:03 PM (1,349 Views)
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Dark Knight's Batman vs. Winter Soldier's Captain America.

-- No shield
-- Batman can use gadgets only if Captain America would win otherwise via super strength

Who wins the melee fight?
Edited by SuperSaiyan1993, Feb 5 2015, 09:03 PM.
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Feb 8 2015, 03:59 PM
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Feb 8 2015, 03:28 PM

Watch the movies again whenever Cap doesn't have access to his shield most of the time he gets his a*** kicked.

Have you forgotten this?
http://youtu.be/jqIBGEcKhGs
Cap held his own in a tight spaced elevator against shield/undercover hydra agents sent to detain him, using only 1 arm. One of these men were crossbones
Edited by Dbzk1999, Feb 9 2015, 03:12 AM.
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Who kicked Steves a*** when he was without his shield? The closest to this I could think of was Batroc who put up a halfway-decent fight, and Steve pretty much had control of the entire fight. Any other time I could recall he had trouble with skilled opponents would be when he was cramped in the elevator and when his opponents were also enhance in physicals.
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Steve
Feb 8 2015, 03:25 PM
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Feb 8 2015, 08:56 AM
steve the whole bullets and laser is a movie thing ..... they were in ww 2 what in the f*** did you expect man common, and in cap 2 it was a similar situation its the way the movie was not the heros fault

also your downplaying too many of his feats
he jumped off a building in cap2, and walked away much easier/faster than batman did off his building jump, so near durability and cap doesn't even have armor
cap beat batroc in h2h, and batroc himself is a master in martial arts and is peak human
took multiple hits from winter soldier who has superhuman strength with his arms and reacts faster as well
in cap 1 where he chases down a car

cap is better allround even without shield, batman has gadgets which would help but unless its darkness its game over

also dont get your point about tony, not like he himself has any special abilities dudes a f***er noone likes him, and one of the reason cap dies in the comics


For soldiers to shoot at their target instead of deciding to engage him hand to hand when they have guns that turn people in to dust?

I know it's stupid movie logic but it's also movie Cap's logic to just run at an army of dudes with laser guns with his tiny shield, he only survives because it's a movie.
But Batman would never do something that idiotic in any of the movies he's a talented strategist, movie Cap is an oaf.

He comes away from that fine because of the shield it stops basically all forces affecting it it even took a hit from Thor that leveled the area remember? Were it not for his shield Cap would be useless in the movies replay any scene he's using it and take the shield away he dies or very nearly.
And as far as I can tell Batman fell from a greater height and was holding a person so he had that extra weight smash on to him.
Also in most of that fight Batroc has the upper hand even though Cap has the shield dude would have already burnt away a lot of his stamina and been in pain from that so Cap wins.

What's special about Tony is his intelligence he meant that there's nothing remarkable about Cap besides what the serum gave him.
Which is kinda true really without it all he has is...he's nice?
cap still takes force on from the fall, just like he did with thors hammer .....
it doesnt all go to the shield, still impressive

cap beat down multiple opponents in an elevator that was another great feat
so far im seeing tons of great feats from cap and nothing from batman
care to post some steve?

and ur still don playing batroc, my god he was peak human as well better than most of what batman has faced
and he took superhuman level hits from winter soldier too...

cap is just too much
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Batman might be "peak human," but Cap is like super peak human then.
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essentially, most if not all of caps feats are beyond what humans can do by a decent amount
so he is technically superhuman then
like what running a mile in 7 s or something
his stamina,durability ect...are all above what any human can do
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Yondaime
Feb 9 2015, 05:59 AM
cap still takes force on from the fall, just like he did with thors hammer .....
it doesnt all go to the shield, still impressive

cap beat down multiple opponents in an elevator that was another great feat
so far im seeing tons of great feats from cap and nothing from batman
care to post some steve?

and ur still don playing batroc, my god he was peak human as well better than most of what batman has faced
and he took superhuman level hits from winter soldier too...

cap is just too much
No he doesn't negating pretty much all force is exactly what his shield is for that's why Thor didn't just crush him with the shield.
Thor takes on Hulk and does damage, there's no way Cap takes a hit from him it's the shield completely same with that fall.

It's not that great a feat if you think about it he only managed because his stamina and because that's an atrocious setting for a group of people to fight in they could barely swing their arms around without hitting one of their comrades in the face.
If he fought them in an open area then yeah that would be a decent feat but Batman was taught to engage 600 enemies so fairly meaningless from Cap, even without training Batman beat up 6 dudes easily.

You're up-playing(is that even a word?) Batroc is his name even mentioned in the movie? He's just a cameo for comic fans not a villain nothing said he was peak human in the actual movies which is what they're talking about, whatever he is in the comics is irrelevant.
Beating ninja's with swords is more impressive than that.

He took hits from Winter Soldier but very different hits to what he'd receive from Batman he'd be getting cut up and bleeding everywhere not just getting ribs broken and whatever else.

Batman took uber peak/superhuman hits from Bane who could smash stone pillars casually and cave his helmet in and who could also just pick him up effortlessly, Bale weighed around 100KG for Batman Begins probably about the same for Rises so Batman weighs that plus a heavy leather suit and all his gadgets. He should easily have been about 115KG give or take a few, possibly way more even.
Tell me that's not impressive.

This was also an older, injured Batman as it was 8 years after Dark Knight. so he wasn't in his prime. Not to mention he still beat Bane with his age and after having a freaking broken back and horrible nutrition for months.

Batman doesn't jump around as much as Cap but for sure he's peak human in his prime.
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Are we allowed to use DKR since this is just DK?
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Bane did not smash stone casually. He was in a blind rage and doing that wasted his energy, letting Batman finish him off. He made the same mistake he chastised Batman for earlier, overexterting himself. Also, lifting Bruce up is hardly that impressive when you consider that peak humans have lifted a bit over 1,000 lbs. Bane is surely peak human in strength, I doubt he's so impressive in any other regard.

Also, Batman's cutting ability is horribly limited. I'm looking at when he can't cut through a net the Joker haphazardly tosses on him
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Feb 10 2015, 01:59 AM
Are we allowed to use DKR since this is just DK?
Does it matter when Batman was in a weaker state? DK Batman would still take those hits from Bane and would most likely have weighed the same.

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Bane did not smash stone casually. He was in a blind rage and doing that wasted his energy, letting Batman finish him off. He made the same mistake he chastised Batman for earlier, overexterting himself. Also, lifting Bruce up is hardly that impressive when you consider that peak humans have lifted a bit over 1,000 lbs. Bane is surely peak human in strength, I doubt he's so impressive in any other regard.

Also, Batman's cutting ability is horribly limited. I'm looking at when he can't cut through a net the Joker haphazardly tosses on him


It was casual he didn't even break his hand he could do that whenever he felt like it.

It is impressive when you consider all weight lifting at that level takes extreme effort, time and doesn't last very long Bane effortlessly lifted a whole man with extra weight and done a wrestler move on him without the wires and acting s***.
He's immensely powerful in a fight those dudes lifting 1000lbs would suck they in a fight they diet and train completely around weight lifting Bane has speed, stamina and strength to fight.

Also...not really? How is he supposed to swing his arm and cut a net that's just going to move with him?
Hardly comparable to cutting a solid, stationary human body is it? His blades would dig right in to Cap and he could fire them even deeper.
He also snapped a sword in half with them.

Unless Cap has a net he's getting cut up, super soldier serum or not how much blood can he lose before he starts getting drowsy.


Also the grapple gun it can take 300lbs or something so obviously has to be pretty damn powerful. batman has too much variety for Cap.
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Feb 10 2015, 01:50 AM
If he fought them in an open area then yeah that would be a decent feat but Batman was taught to engage 600 enemies so fairly meaningless from Cap,

And? Batman never had any feats that showed that he was capable of taking 600 men at once, at least not in a straight up fight.

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even without training Batman beat up 6 dudes easily.


And? Cap easily surpassed that.

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You're up-playing(is that even a word?) Batroc is his name even mentioned in the movie? He's just a cameo for comic fans not a villain nothing said he was peak human in the actual movies which is what they're talking about, whatever he is in the comics is irrelevant.
Beating ninja's with swords is more impressive than that.

This is the first time we see Batroc so he get scaled up to being that good not the other way around. And if he doesn't then it's a low showing for Cap, one that he has multiple of better showings to compensate.

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He took hits from Winter Soldier but very different hits to what he'd receive from Batman he'd be getting cut up and bleeding everywhere not just getting ribs broken and whatever else.


And Cap had taken knife wounds and even gunshots and still had plenty of gas in the tank in his fights. Batman's gauntlets aren't going to be as much as the difference maker as you are making out to be especially since Cap has a healing factor.

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Batman took uber peak/superhuman hits from Bane who could smash stone pillars casually


And Cap was launching people far away with plenty of hits throughout his movies.

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in and who could also just pick him up effortlessly,


Not impressive compared to Cap who was throwing people at a distance casually. And effortlessly lifted multiple girls on a motorcycle in his first movie.

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Not to an enhanced human.
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the elevator scene was nuts they had tasers and magnetic brace thing that held his arm to the wall
he beat up most of the trained soldiers with ONE HAND
and the shield only broke the fall for HALF his body, leg down it was all direct impact
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqIBGEcKhGs

also even cap feels pain and gets impact even if hes blocking, evidence of this is in the movies, he grunts
and struggles, so when the winter soldier punched his shield, or when thor used his hammer or when he fell of a building he felt some of the force for sure

i mean look at this fight, winter solider> any opponent bat has faced(in the movies), he's stronger and better trained, cap was owning winter soldier even without a shield
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXPOl6EjbWg
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